User talk:Canreb

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Important Links

Try a colour wheel, like this one maybe? :)

Category Reminder

Don't forget to add your categories. *wink, nod* You might want to either delete some of this or break it into smaller sections if you'd prefer to archive some of this. ;) DCody 23:37, 12 December 2008 (EST)

I managed to get a complete list of all the categories... and will add them later... still working on the 2 pages... when I finish them I will go through the list and find the ones that I think I should use... and boy is it a BIG list to go through... Canreb 00:14, 13 December 2008 (EST)

lol DCody 00:28, 13 December 2008 (EST)

The Move Button

If you give a page a wrong title, there's a tab at the top of the page, to the right of Edit, that says "Move". Try that, it allows you to retitle a page and thus means less deleting is needed. - Lt Cmdr. Salak^Talk 18:02, 6 January 2009 (EST)

thanks... that will be a big help... sorry for any added work... I was trying to create episodes like the other ships have... Canreb 10:58, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Quite alright :) - Lt Cmdr. Salak^Talk 13:11, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Devitt

Does Devitt belong on the Eagle's Current Crew Roster? Seems like she's an NPC when everyone else on it is a PC? *puzzled* - Lt Cmdr. Salak^Talk 18:09, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

As per a conversation with first Captain Taboo of the USS Eagle and then Captain T'Pen of the USS Challenger, my primary character has requested a transfer to the USS Challenger, however I wanted to continue to be of some use on the USS Eagle so after much discussion with Captain Taboo we considered all the NPC's that I had been simming for and he suggested that I promote Devitt to be my new secondary... this will become official once the transfer has taken place. At that time I will make the final adjustments to transform her into my new PC on the Eagle... however I have been doing a lot of sims with her already... way more than with most of the other NPC's I use on a regular basis...Canreb 09:26, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Ah right. That makes sense :) - Lt Cmdr. Salak^Talk 12:10, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Ithassa Region, Races & Other Items

I do not want to see any more deletion pages of original Ithassa Region races created by other members of the UFOP that have been redesigned as your sole creation, such as the Ramdii. Since I happen to know the simmer who named the Ramdii and on which yahoogroups list that name first appeared, I find this in poor taste.

Since I am aware what RAdm. Hollis and RAdm Anassasi said to you, I ask you from this point forward to not alter or claim ownership of any more pages that were originally designed to the Ithassa Region by your fellow UFOP members. Since you were told to rename several pages over a year ago, I am rolling back some pages to their original status. Any subsequent pages will not be touched, but we will check to make sure you follow through on what you were instructed to do by the COs of the Ithassa Region. DCody 03:23, 5 July 2009 (EDT)

In regards to that I have no idea what you are talking about. I have not touched anything within the Ithassa Region since haveing that conversation. What I have done is to take all the stuff I wrote for that region and reused it after renaming the races something else and placeing it within a region of my own design.

As I said then I will never create or write anything includeing posts as requested for that region ever. All the data that was deleted was done by someone else (Lt. Salak). He were good enough to send me copies of everything I had wrote before resetting everything back the way it was before I started adding things.

In fact if you look above you will see where you spoke to me about this under Vonda & Subsequent Pages and Deleting Pages. Also the whole conversation regarding getting back what I had written and my willingness to change the names of the races and rewrite then as my own creations.

As for the Ramdii. Anything that is currently there should have been returned to it's original format before I touched it originally. I have not even looked at any of the pages for that region as they are off limits to me as ordered. Lt. Salak was nice enough to do all the work of deleteing all the work I had added, even all the original data that I had created that had no referances to anyone else's work in the region.

I even asked him to delete the work I had done while a crewmember of the USS Triumphant which had operated in that region. So all the mission data and new discoveries we made as part of that crew should also have been deleted if I wrote them. Again in keeping with your orders to delete any and all works that I had a hand in within the Ithassa Region.

If for some reason this has not been done I apologize. Since I was still very new to the wiki at that time I left all the deletions to Lt. Salak. I had no idea and still am not sure exactly how a page can be returned to an older version altho Lt. Salak did explain it to me once and I might be able to figure it out on my own now.

However I promised to never touch, write, create or in any way do anything regarding the Ithassa Region and I have kept that promise. I have never returned to or even viewed any of the pages linked to that area since being ordered to stop. Canreb 00:19, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

The problem is it was not done, and I'm at a complete loss to why this was not taking care of over a year ago. The "original" pages were marked slated for deletion, not your pages. Which is why I decided to wait before deleting any more of this in case it had not been finished. DCody 14:20, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Sir, I had all my original material moved and renamed well over a year ago. Even the stuff that was deleted that I had written has been moved and renamed. In many cases even rewritten so as to make it all completely original and totally my work.

At the time that all this was being done I was still extremely new to the wiki. Lt. Salak did a lot of the retrevial and deletions as far as I know. He was the only person other than yourself that I talked to about it.

Due to my limited knowledge at that time of how to use the wiki I did not touch anything once I was told to stop and desist. In fact I am pretty sure that I have never gone back and viewed any of the Ithassa Region stuff since then. I thought it was all being taken care of. I appologize for it not being taken care of. I guess I should have double checked.

In fact that is about the time I got very busy creating the Trinity, Serellan and Jenatris sectors of space. A project that I got approval to work on first before I started since I learned my lesson to ask before I leap.

I appologise for any trouble that this may have caused you or anyone else within the Starbase 118 community. It has never been my intent to cause anyone any problems. This has been and continues to be the best run Star Trek RPG that I have even had the privledge to participate in.

I hope that I will be able to contribute to this group for many more years. Canreb 21:30, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Nonsense. It wasn't trouble as much it was a misunderstanding. What bothered several people were changes were being made that had not been simmed, and just created on the spot. Your contributions, whether on the Triumphant or elsewhere, are valued. :) However, with these Wiki pages, members are constantly adding stuff to existing pages, in part based on what the crew, whether past, present, or future, sims. This is why no Wiki page is ever truly complete. LOL What I hope I can encourage you to think on is just enough, but not completely flushed out... this especially becomes important if you pursue command. If we design too much detail, it curtails creativity.

For example, let's take the Ramdii. ;) For years, even before I came back, simmers on all of the Ithassa crews used the ram-horned species that was a part of the FTU. They did not have a name. They are simply a NPC race for anyone to use. Then take one Lieutenant who comes along and says, you know, this race needs a name. Let's call them Ramdii, and put that on the main page of the Ithassa Region (where a bunch of these FTU races had been placed). That's all, just name them. Don't spell out the culture, or planets, or anything else. Someone else can step in and have fun with those elements.

In this way, the Ramdii remain a flexible NPC race for anyone to contribute and add to. There's just enough there for other simmers to figure out what's been done before and work with, but allow for the maximum flexibility in case they get creative and add some distinctive element I could have never thought of in a million years. That's simming, my friend. ;) It's the collaborative effort of everyone, whether Trinity or Ithassa, or otherwise.

As such, I love your creativity. But... everyone else has a say in the design as well. We should write something one of these days. DCody 00:18, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Thank you. I look forward to possible working with you some day as well. I understand what you mean by everyone being able to contribute and being able to add to a race, planet, story, mission, etc. The planet Miri that I created as part of the Trinity, Serellan Sector project has been used twice by the USS Eagle and as a result I had to add a lot of stuff and then alter some of my original stuff as well as a result of sims we posted. It is still a long way away from being a complete entry. I am still hopeing that other crews will use it as it is also a tribute to the original Star Trek since it was the location of one of the original TV episodes. I have ton's of ideas for mission on that planet. Same as I have for the other one that the USS Eagle has visited twice in the Trinity Sector. Cart'hen III. Canreb 01:29, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Main & Sub Categories

When you create pages and add a new '''Category:MiraIII'''' , I would like you to click on that link and create the category page at the same time (i.e. a short one sentence description, such as "Articles pertaining to...."). Our Categories Wanted page has exploded. ;)
Additionally, your User talk page here is getting rather lengthy. :D Please think about breaking all this into smaller sections, or you can do what I do, and move talk pages to user talk archive pages. If you need help, let me know and I'll be happy to lend a hand. --Cody /^{talk page}

ILI and Changes

It is easier to simply edit the page, btw... :) We can rollback if/when needed. DCody 23:04, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

Corvian quadrant

Hi there. I just noticed the Corvian homeworld is listed as in the Beta Quadrant, but as Deep Space 10 orbits the planet and the system is established as being in the Menthar Corridor, it should actually be in the Alpha Quadrant. I'm not sure if that affects the sector numbering though. –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 13:31, 10 January 2014 (CST)

Thanks for that info... It does make a difference but it is easy to change and will be changed... not sure why my source for the info gave me that data but as long as it gets corrected that all that matters. Canreb (talk) 08:53, 13 January 2014 (CST)

New ILI sections

Thank you very much for the kind words!

I've created the separate galleries. I've incorporated the SDC nav links into a slimmer template that goes with the style of the new ILI. Eventually, each kind of species can have its own ILI template as seen with the forbidden species and the first few restricted species using Template:ILI Restricted, Template:ILI Forbidden, Template:ILI TBD. When they eventually all get properly changed to their specific type, then the original Template:ILI will be left for permitted species and will be modified to display a permitted species icon.–Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 15:59, 23 February 2014 (CST)

Non-canon badge

It's meant to go at the level of the page title. is it not showing up there for you? I've checked it on Firefox, Safari, and mobile Chrome. –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 16:52, 28 February 2014 (CST)

Oh, Internet Explorer! (::makes a fist:: Newman!) All right, I'll come up with an alternative. :) –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 17:00, 28 February 2014 (CST)

Is it lower now? PS, when editing a restricted, forbidden, TBD, just add Restricted, Forbidden, or TBD after Template:ILI to get the special sidebar for that category. So "Template:ILI Restricted" gets you this: Vaadwaur

How about now?–Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 17:14, 28 February 2014 (CST)

Hmmm, the problem is if I go down any further it will look wrong on those other browsers I mentioned. Is it still covering up anything important like the search box or user controls? –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman

All right, great. Thanks for letting me know about this though! –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 17:23, 28 February 2014 (CST)

ILI image sizes

Oh and just for reference, the images I think look best would put at 250px so there's no black around them (that's just there for now because there are many set below 250). For instance, here's Andorian at 250

SORRY, I meant 250... I could make it so the template automatically displays it at 250, but then we'd have to go through and delete every image size setting across the ILI... so... yeah, probably not. :) –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 17:40, 28 February 2014 (CST)

SDC Alert

Starfleet Intelligence has designated this species a Class 1 Priority

Added to the page Vorgon. Use {{SDC Alert}}

Done. I've also added a new parameter to the ILI, ILI Restricted, ILI Forbidden, and ILI TBD templates. If the word for a species plural is just adding an s (i.e., human -> humans), the template simply adds the s for the "List of Named Whatevers." If the plural form is different, for instance several Q are not referred to as Qs, just add "plural = whatever" as an additional parameter. Examples include the Q, Kubarey, Jem'Hadar, Gorn, etc. –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 17:00, 1 March 2014 (CST)

Updated Template:SDC. –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 00:09, 17 March 2014 (CDT)

Quarantine and Extinct templates

How are these?

By order of Starfleet Medical Avoid All Contact Authorized Personnel Only

REV 239602.22

attention: This species is believed extinct Available data is limited

DEPARTMENT of XENOLOGY

Use {{quarantine}} and {{extinct}}.

Also, yes the plan is eventually to change the general ILI template to green/permitted, but that's once all the other non-categorized, etc. species have been properly changed over. –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 13:02, 3 May 2014 (CDT)

Readding introductions for species

I'll think of something for the restricted to homeworld species. In the meantime, I noticed in a lot of the revamps that the introductory text for species is getting deleted. I think actually it's nice to have a few sentences to introduce the species before the main article (maybe even a quote or saying from said culture). I also don't think it's necessary to have the species name as a separate header, and it just clutters the table of contents. For instance, what do you think of the edits I made to Risian? –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 09:52, 4 May 2014 (CDT)

Character page, pictures and such

Hi! To change the size of a photo, just add however many pixels you want the width to be as in: [[File:Image.jpg|300px]] for instance. If you want a frame to be around the picture and for it to be displayed on the right as a thumbnail, just put in [[File:Image.jpg|thumb]]. If you want the thumbnail on the right [[File:Image.jpg|left]]. If you want the thumbnail bigger or smaller: [[File:Image.jpg|thumb|400px]].

More instructions on how to use images on a wiki are available here

You could put the three academy diplomas side by side by putting them in a basic table:

{|
|
{{Academy Diploma
|Name on Diploma=Tal Tel-ar
|Graduation Date=237707.31  
|Post2390=Yes
|Major=Security/Tactical
|Commandant=Andrus Jaxx
|Training CO=Leo Handley-Page
}}
|
{{Academy Diploma
|Name on Diploma=Tal Tel-ar
|Graduation Date=238107.31   
|Post2390=Yes
|Major=Communications/Operations 
|Commandant=Andrus Jaxx
|Training CO=Leo Handley-Page
}}
|
{{Academy Diploma
|Name on Diploma=Tal Tel-ar
|Graduation Date= 238307.31  
|Post2390=Yes
|Major=Intelligence
|Commandant=Andrus Jaxx
|Training CO=Leo Handley-Page
}}
|}

Which gives you this:

Tal Tel-ar Security/Tactical Commissioned on 237707.31 Andrus Jaxx Leo Handley-Page Academy Commandant Starfleet Academy Training Officer Starbase 118 Campus

Tal Tel-ar Communications/Operations Commissioned on 238107.31 Andrus Jaxx Leo Handley-Page Academy Commandant Starfleet Academy Training Officer Starbase 118 Campus

Tal Tel-ar Intelligence Commissioned on 238307.31 Andrus Jaxx Leo Handley-Page Academy Commandant Starfleet Academy Training Officer Starbase 118 Campus

However, as you can see, they're pretty big, so it might actually just make more sense to keep them stacked one on top of another or just display the first one. –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 18:30, 8 May 2014 (CDT)

Quote template

just a heads up, you can use Template:Quote (made by someone else actually!) to make the quotes formated in the articles.

Example:

{{quote|To boldly go where no man has gone before!|James T. Kirk}}

gives you

"To boldly go where no man has gone before!"

— James T. Kirk

–Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 03:08, 31 May 2014 (CDT)

T/E Proposal

Sure post it in the forum thread! –Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman 17:07, 31 May 2014 (CDT)

Template:No Contact

Typing {{No Contact}} gives you

Do not approach CONTACT PROHIBITED NOTICE: This species has been restricted to its homeworld

This template has been added to Category:ILI Templates along with the others. ◄ Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman ♫ 03:38, 12 June 2014 (CDT)

Template:Prime Directive

Typing {{Prime Directive}} gives you

PRIME DIRECTIVE PRECAUTIONS IN EFFECT This species is protected per Starfleet General Order 1 No personnel may interfere with its normal development

This template has been added to Category:ILI Templates along with the others. ◄ Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman ♫ 15:30, 22 June 2014 (CDT)

ESP

Already done: T/E Rating System :)

As to the list of species, I think that'd be great! Just add it below on the page above! ◄ Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman ♫ 16:28, 27 June 2014 (CDT)

Hmm, I actually think it'd make more sense to make a separate ESP banner like the other templates (extinct, quarantine, etc.) that you could add to ESP equipped species since the vast majority would have none and that would be a lot of work updating them all just to say none. We could have the yes few many etc also be able to be specified in the separate banner. What do you think? ◄ Rich^{(talk page)} aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman ♫ 22:52, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Missed things and whatnot

No worries, sir! You will not believe how many times I've wanted to pull my hair out after being frustrated at why a template isn't working only to see that the whole problem was a missing | or }, haha! Also, thanks for the feedback on the factions and ship classes. You should chime in on the forum threads for both!

• Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards thread
• Factions thread
• Factions part 2 thread

I'm hoping to get others involved! ♫ Rich ▪ talk ▪ Chief of Wiki Operations 13:37, 26 January 2015 (CST)

Caraadian Request

Canreb, when I created the Caraadian species, the entire purpose was to have a species that did not originate in the Expanse, that had mysteriously left their homeworld tens of thousand of years ago and no longer knew where or what it was. This was important to the species, but even more important to the idea of the Expanse and how the individual cultures mixed, and why. While I was gone from the UFoP:SB118 for a couple of years, the Caraadians sat dormant and in the void, you saw fit to "update" the missing data. Unfortunately, that ruined the mystique that I had set up, and in some places contradicted ideas that I was trying to establish. I'm not mad, and I'm not blaming you. This is a wiki where anyone can edit things. But is there any chance I can rewrite at least some of this to bring it back to what I was trying to establish in the first place? Do I have to file an official form or something with the Species Development Committee? -Varaan (talk) 15:12, 10 April 2015 (CDT)

Thanks. I will try to keep you in the loop. And now that I'm back, it should be easier to contact me about any of the Par'tha stuff, should you need to. -Varaan (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2015 (CDT)

I think I'm done with the Caraadian entry, should you like to check it over. -Varaan (talk) 22:28, 12 April 2015 (CDT)

Budding Species

Hello, sir! Long time no speak! I've started playing a member of the budding species as a part of the Darwin's multispecies initiative and would like to go in a different direction than the animated gif of the mosquito-like creature that's on our current wiki page. (There's nothing in canon that says they're bugs, so I liked the idea of getting creative with what's already been specified on DS9!)

Would it be OK if I removed that picture for the time being? I'm working on getting a picture of my PNPC made, hopefully will be done within the next couple of weeks at the latest, so I could show that to you with a view to swapping it in when it's done? Chen (talk) 03:54, 13 April 2015 (CDT)

Hi - thanks for getting in touch about the picture for the budding species - the rationale for the appearance is included in the text on the same page you found the picture itself, which I'll also be submitting as part of the multispecies competition. Is this enough, or do you need anything else? Chen (talk) 07:21, 26 May 2015 (CDT)

Mellitus Species

Howdy, I found this orphaned page. Does it have anything to do with the ILI? Otherwise, I would like to find a place for it. http://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php/Mellitus Ashley Roy (talk) 21:31, 14 April 2015 (CDT)

Card

	Tal Tel-ar
Andorian
Chief of Security/Tactical USS Doyle-A. Socially challenged, risk taking loner.
Aggressive Risk Taker Unemotional Fierce
9 4 12

Adjusted slightly. The template automatically fits the width to the window so if you want the head to be smaller, you'll need to use a different image. ♫ Rich ▪ 118Wiki Administrator ▪ Send Message 14:53, 25 May 2015 (CDT)

About one of your pages - are you still using it?

The page for Angel Yukiko. It appears a bit blank, and I wanted to know if you still want it or need it for any reason before I start cleaning it up Ceciri (talk) 21:37, 5 June 2015 (CDT)

Yeah, since it's pretty blank, or I'd have tried to link it to the NPC page, or PC page :/ Ceciri (talk) 11:48, 6 June 2015 (CDT)

About the Avalon Sector page

I reverted the edit because I'm trying to make sure we have no redlinks. Once the page is up, feel free to relink it! Ceciri (talk) 11:10, 18 February 2016 (CST)

Ohanze

Hey there! I saw that you were working on the Ohanze and wanted to let you know a number of things have been simmed about them previously on Veritas that you may find useful. LtCmdr Sky Blake has updated the Ohanze page with the information from our mission involving them but most specifically, the Ohanze do not have a single home world system (at least not in modern times). Also the Ohanze are native to the shoals and specifically the shadows. You won’t generally find them beyond the confines of the shoals. Lastly we established that the Ohanze have no decipherable unique language intelligible/speakable humanoids. The universal translater instead simply gives direct translations of words and names into their literal meanings. Thus if the group known as the Tusurn originates within the language of the ohanze then it would just be known as the “Glorious Defiance” since there wouldn’t be a specific Ohanze word used. Based on the characterization of the species, I’d also suggest they’d likely not be the “largest terrorist” group as they mostly keep to themselves, although perhaps they are members of the Black Sun Tribe that are known as raiders who prey on both Ohanze and non Ohanze alike for survival. I don’t want to suggest more can’t be added to the Ohanze in sims and whatnot but wanted to make sure you knew about some of these established traits so we can keep the species consistent. The Ohanze page should have the relevant detail. Let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thanks! ♫ Rich (Capt. Roshanara Rahman) • REPLY • Wiki Ops Team • Veterans Affairs 14:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanka! I’ll definitely take a look and make notes. I’m also going to get my first and second officers Delano and Blake in touch with you because they helped develop a lot of the backstory and Blake in particular can help with cross referencing things in the wiki and Shoals “canon” we’ve developed over the past few years. ♫ Rich (Capt. Roshanara Rahman) • REPLY • Wiki Ops Team • Veterans Affairs 19:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

While we're on this topic, please hold off on adding stuff to the main Ohanze page. Since we have and likely will again be encountering the Ohanze in-sim, I want to make sure we don't run into any confusing lore-related issues and have really only been adding stuff that's been simmed (using the <ref> tool). I plan to go through the page you've draft with Rich and Cameron (since these two primarily spearheaded the species' inclusion in the first draft of the Shoals) and will add accordingly. :) Deliera ♠ Veritas ▪ talk 09:05, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

References - a how-to

Every page about species, general NPCs, or often-used locations should utilize a references template. This can be achieved by adding {{References}} at the end of the page.

To add a reference to a sentence, you can link using this format: <ref>[https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sb118-veritas/6L6LJxB_GZs/Tf840XOhAwAJ ''"Of Sons and Daughters."'' (Part 1)], A.Eislas & LtCmdr S.Blake, {{USS|Veritas}}, SD 239602.14</ref>

Which looks like this.

If information is added, it must already be simmed - though be certain not to sim just because you want to add information to a page. References can include links to the FNS, a ship's google group, and to memory alpha/beta.

Hope that helps! Deliera ♠ Veritas ▪ talk 02:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Additions to ILI pages

Hey, Daryl. The point of the ILI pages is not to 100% complete them before use, but to allow players to develop the species as they go through their own sims. Sometimes having a "bible for a species" is useful, but it is also restricting in ways that is not ideal for story-telling across ten ships. If a page is totally completed, players will feel that they must abide by what is on that page, with little room for development or creativity for their own. I imagine this is why many new players choose to stick with human characters, who can be from anywhere, of any culture, and of any look, rather than being restricted to the strangely singular cultured species we currently have on the wiki.

As such, I would rather that all species, not just the Ohanze, only have their development simmed, rather than dictated by one person on the wiki. This gives players the ability to expand upon this species as they wish. When it comes to information regarding homeworlds, leaving those areas blank gives science officers or away teams the freedom to exercise creativity and come up with this information themselves. This is why we use the references system, so that players can go to those sims that refers to specific pieces of information and see how other writers approached using the species as well as what was done during missions. It's a guide and an active history, showing what was simmed for this species before.

Unless we are creating a brand new species for a mission that requires background information pertaining to that mission (like we did with the Ohanze and the Adovans, as examples), I've been advised that we should not information to ILI pages that has not been simmed by players, as the ILI should be used to document what has already been simmed, rather than dictate what should be simmed - I’ve checked with Rich about this and he reiterated the message from the fleet admins that the wiki should primarily be documenting what’s been simmed, rather than trying to "complete" entries for completion sake - which I believe came alongside the development of the references template. I understand the use for uniformity in information, and that a complete ILI page looks better complete, but in those cases, we can use the Expansion needed template to inform players that they can and should add new information that they have simmed to an ILI page. I understand how ILI pages were updated or expanded upon by the SDC, but as that team no longer exists, it is now up to the community as a whole to add new information to ILI pages, rather than a few, or the one, person.

In regards to the Ohanze specifically, the Veritas will still be using this species for missions in the Shoals. As such, we'd like the ability for our 12+ players to also expand upon them, rather than have to stick with what has been added to the wiki, yet not actually simmed.

Thank you for understanding. Deliera ♠ Veritas ▪ talk 05:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)