Talk:USS Achilles

Is the beginning of this page necessary?

This is almost, verbatim, a copy of the information already on our wiki at the Achilles Class page. While it might be nice to have the stats for the USS Achilles itself here, do we have to repeat info we already have? Couldn't we just modify and/or add to the Achilles Class page? -Varaan 14:37, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

Merge discussion

QUOTE: "In honor of the sacrifice of the Nemesis-B, the USS Achilles, a prototype battlecruiser that had been in mothballs since the end of the Dominion War, was renamed Nemesis." < On that basis, shouldn't USS Achilles be merged into this? Also, the page title's always bugged me... Was the USS bit of the name replaced by NX (odd) or was it an NX Registry, as the USS Independence-A is?- Lt. Salak^Talk 11:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I always wondered why FltCaptain Wong-Aquiss did this as well, which is odd because I was a member of her crew. Personally, I'd prefer to forget that the ship was ever named NX-Nemesis, and just call it the latest incarnation of the USS Nemesis. If you'd like, I will work on merging the articles working from that premise. Fair enough? -- Capt. Mar -- 02:35, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Come to think of it, now, I remember why I wrote a separate page for the USS Achilles. Once FltCaptin Wong-Aquiss retired, she allowed me to take on the ship as my own NPC character, as the AI was my secondary. The only caveat she laid on this was that the name not be Nemesis. I simmed the ship fixing her own registry markings back to the original USS Achilles. I don't think they should be merged, based on that fact. It is no longer a PC ship, run by its own crew; it is an NPC ship. -- Capt. Mar -- 03:00, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Well we've recently merged the NPC Triumphant page into the PC Triumphant page... - Lt. Salak^Talk 05:13, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but the difference here is that the name changed back to Achilles. If anything, the Nemesis page should be merged into the Achilles, rather than the other way around. -- Capt. Mar -- 10:16, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Okies, might have a look at that option then. - Lt. Salak^Talk 11:38, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

I keep changing my mind on this, though. While I see the reasons for merging the two ships into one page, especially since they are essentially the same ship with a different name, it seems a little... revisionist. The Achilles has had, and may have in the future, a history separate from the Nemesis. Merging it into the Nemesis page isn't quite right, since as an NCP ship it is named Achilles. However, merging the Nemesis into the Achilles page means that the Nemesis disappears as a distinct historical ship in the UFoP history books. While I disagree with FltCapt. Wong-Aquiss' naming conventions, I don't think undoing it like that is right either. I think I still vote for keeping them separate. Maybe we can compromise and have explicit links to each other on each page? -- Capt. Mar -- 09:10, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

If in doubt, we tend to follow MA policy. Thus, I'm inclined to direct you to the ma:USS Sao Paulo. There is precedent. Leave as is for now, but I'll leave the merge tags on. If they are merged, typing in one name will send you to the correct page anyway, as the page will be at one of the names and the other would serve as a redirect. - Lt. Salak^Talk 08:48, 14 July 2008 (EDT)