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==Welcome to the 118Wiki!==
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Hello and welcome to both StarBase 118 and the 118Wiki! I see you've already made some very helpful edits. Since it looks like your interest is the ILI, I'd suggest introducing yourself to [[User:Canreb|Daryl aka Commander Tal Tel-ar]], who is the [[Leadership Roster|team facilitator]] for the [[Species Development Committee]].
*[[User_talk:Ceciri/Archive1|Archive 1 (Dec 2014 - Dec 2015)]]


I did notice you've been adding the various ILI special templates such as quarantine, etc. Just one style note. On the wiki, we like to keep the LCARS style header as the highest element of a page. Thus, the final look would be more like this: [[Q_(species)]].
== Star Trek intro ==


If you have any questions about editing or the 118Wiki in general, feel free to ask! Otherwise, thanks again for contributing and welcome again to the fleet! &#9835; [[User:Rich|'''Rich''']]<sup>[[User talk:Rich|(talk page)]]</sup><small> ''aka Lt.Cmdr. Rahman/Bakari, [[118Wiki:Operations|Chief of Wiki Operations]]</small> 07:37, 17 December 2014 (CST)
Hey there, you probably saw that I made some changes to the Star Trek intro series you created as we're building out a new New Member Orientation area that will include both a Cadets and Ensigns area. So great work, and thank you for what you created!


== Alumni category ==
Most of what you created I just integrated into the updated series and expanded it a little. But I wanted to make sure you were able to grab anything that wasn't integrated and use elsewhere if you wanted, so here are the old pages:


Hi there! I noticed you removed the Constitution-B category from [[Locke, Sariel|Sariel Locke]]. As Locke has served as the Constitution-B's Chief Science Officer, he should be added to [[:Category:Constitution-B Alumni]], as once an officer leaves a posting, an alumni category is added, as well as the new ship's PC category. If you have any questions, let me know! :) '''[[User:Sky Blake|♣ Deliera]]''' ▪ <small> [[User talk:Sky Blake|talk]]</small> ▪ <small> [[Wiki ops team|Vice Chief of Wiki Ops]] </small> 00:31, 25 January 2015 (CST)
* http://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php/Star_Trek:_An_Introduction/Chapter_1
* http://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php/Star_Trek:_An_Introduction/Chapter_2
* http://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php/Star_Trek:_An_Introduction/Chapter_3
* http://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php/Star_Trek:_An_Introduction/Chapter_4


== blanked pages  ==
I'm going to delete these old pages in the next few weeks, so make sure to take a look and get anything you want to reuse. :) --[[User:FltAdml. Wolf|Wolf]] /<sup>[[User talk:FltAdml. Wolf|talk page]]</sup> 12:47, 19 December 2015 (CST)


Hey, nice job so far. For the character info on blanked pages, you don't need to hide it, and you can still categorize them. We '''want''' People to be able to read it directly as part of the historical record. See {{n|Sidney|Riley}} as another example. Thanks, again! [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 11:44, 26 January 2015 (CST)
== RE: A few questions about files on the wiki ==


== Deleting pages ==
First file you mentioned works fine for me:


No worries. Also, no need to blank a page when queuing it for deletion. Just putting the deletion template is good enough. [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 19:46, 26 January 2015 (CST)
[[File:Sb118-banner-468x60.jpg]]


== My PNPCs ==
Re: File:Trident Ribbon.jpg -- it says in the description it had something to do with Atlantis, so I would put it in the Atlantis category. --[[User:FltAdml. Wolf|Wolf]] /<sup>[[User talk:FltAdml. Wolf|talk page]]</sup> 20:51, 30 December 2015 (CST)


Thank you for the information.  
==Avalon Sector==
You switched it back on me about 20 minutes before I had finished doing the initial work on the page that I had added. So when I went to post the info from my word perfect page that I had been working on it from to the wiki the page was gone... lol... no problem. I just re-added the link and then pasted the info onto the page for me to tweak and finish later. [[User:Canreb|Canreb]] ([[User talk:Canreb|talk]]) 12:26, 18 February 2016 (CST)


I will update when I have time. If you find any other work that belongs to me please email me.  
==Category capitalization==
I was talking to Deliera about the capitalization issue with categories. Do you think it'd be worth it to change the other categories that are currently not following the standard to be uniform? I'm thinking of asking Jordan to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text install this extension] to make it less of a headache when we have to change the old category names to the new ones. [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''' <small>(Cmdr. Roshanara Rahman)</small>]] • [[User_talk:Rich|<small>'''REPLY'''</small>]] • [[118Wiki:Administrators|<small>Wiki Admin</small>]] • [[Department of Veterans Affairs|<small>Veterans Affairs</small>]] 14:53, 18 August 2016 (CDT)
:Well, we do have the instructions to keep the second, third, and subsequent letters lowercase if they're not proper nouns on the [[Naming_pages_properly#Lowercase_second_and_subsequent_words|Naming pages properly]] page, but I think most people don't really read that page when they first start.


Thank You Lt Cmdr Siris
:When you go to make documentation, you should be able to just create a documentation page and then transclude it into the various LCARS template variants (i.e., put <nowiki>{{:NAME OF DOCUMENTATION PAGE}}</nowiki> in the template page) so you don't have to always update however many templates when you want to change the documentation.


== Service History template ==
:Also, I've asked Jordan to create a wiki "power user" group so that hopefully soon non-admins in that group will be able to edit protected pages (without being able to change the protection levels or delete pages). [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''' <small>(Cmdr. Roshanara Rahman)</small>]] • [[User_talk:Rich|<small>'''REPLY'''</small>]] • [[118Wiki:Administrators|<small>Wiki Admin</small>]] • [[Department of Veterans Affairs|<small>Veterans Affairs</small>]] 15:49, 18 August 2016 (CDT)


Hey there! So some thoughts:
== System templates ==
* I'd avoid HTML as much as possible. Yes, it can be a short cut, but there's usually wiki markup that is simpler that can replace much of it, and you can avoid the issues you get such as now when you're trying to merge the two.
* [[User:James T. Kolk|Jackford]] has created a template that incorporates a lot of similar functionality such as having merged rows: [[Template:RoundTable]]
** It lacks any documentation, and I'm not a fan of how he named the variables (Rank 2 or 2nd Rank would have been more intuitive for users than R2 for instance), but you can see an example of the merging at [[Columbia Crew History]].
** So anyway, it might be easier to take his template (and the subtemplates it uses such for crew history specifically) as a starting point and modifying it to suit your needs. I'd have it so instead of basing it on the character name, the first and anchoring variable would be the ship/station.
* That said, I do not really find these kind of templates worth the time and effort it takes to build and troubleshoot them as they end up not being used by most general 118 members. They ultimately are just as complex to use as the standard way of creating a service table on the wiki. Furthermore, at least by doing it "the long way," general members learn useful skills such as how to create and edit a table in wiki format (and the use of rowspan for merged rows) whereas the knowledge to use a specific template is non-transferable elsewhere on the wiki.
[[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 14:03, 31 January 2015 (CST)


== FNS ==
Also, I was thinking all the various [[:Category:Wiki System Templates|"wiki system templates"]] should probably just stay in that category instead of being added to the new ones since the average user will likely be overwhelmed looking at these other templates that they most likely won't actually use independently of the main template. What do you think? [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''' <small>(Cmdr. Roshanara Rahman)</small>]] • [[User_talk:Rich|<small>'''REPLY'''</small>]] • [[118Wiki:Administrators|<small>Wiki Admin</small>]] • [[Department of Veterans Affairs|<small>Veterans Affairs</small>]] 15:55, 18 August 2016 (CDT)


Easiest would be to submit it via forums. Just make a new thread for the article like you've seen others do.[[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 07:12, 4 February 2015 (CST)
== Re: NPC rosters ==


== individuals of a species categories ==
Ok, sorry!


Hi there. The categories of a plural for a species are so that all members of those species are categorized in that category. It is distinct from the larger basic species category. Ex. [[:Category:Vulcan]] vs [[:Category:Vulcans]]. Furthermore these plural categories are linked via the ILI sidebar templates for those species. [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 17:15, 25 February 2015 (CST)
== Alt text vs captions ==


:No worries! Also can I ask that when you mark pages for deletion that you don't blank them. Just add the delete template at the top. Makes it easier to double check before confirming the delete. Thanks And happy editing! :) [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 17:28, 25 February 2015 (CST)
Hi Nicholas! If you could hold off on making additional changes to the ILI, I believe since mediawiki automatically should turn captions.into alt text, then that might be the direction we will go along with a change to the template itself. But more discussion is needed with the other wiki admin and ops folks as they might have additional ideas while we research this issue. [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''' <small>(Capt. Roshanara Rahman)</small>]] • [[User_talk:Rich|<small>'''REPLY'''</small>]] • [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Wiki Ops Team</small>]] • [[Department of Veterans Affairs|<small>Veterans Affairs</small>]] 13:33, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


== ILI ==
== Smuggling ==


Please do not unilaterally revert an administrator's changes without discussing them first with the administrator. The species categories were updated based on their listing in the ILI permitted gallery by User:Canreb, head of SDC. Likewise, those listed as permitted but not added to the Gallery such as the Xindi species were added to the gallery. These changes were done after the issue was brought up in the Captains Council. [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 07:53, 1 March 2015 (CST)
Yeah, I think most of it looks okay, but then I'd move the specific parts of one nation into its own section, grouped together (it probably doesn't need its own page just yet). [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''' <small>(Fleet Capt. Rahman)</small>]] • [[User_talk:Rich|<small>'''REPLY'''</small>]] • [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] • [[Department of Veterans Affairs|<small>Veterans Affairs</small>]] 14:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


:Well, the issue was just brought up last night, and it doesn't actually involve changing any species ratings, just making sure the wiki/ILI accurately reflects what the SDC already decided. The ILI as with any part of the wiki is open to editing by all as along as the edits are constructive. Ensuring that pages are properly categorized for instance is one of the defined roles of the [[118Wiki:Administrators]]. We generally don't just change things without a good reason. :)
== Journal articles ==


:Also, I'd advise refraining from unnecessarily hostile or aggressive edit summaries that are chastising in tone. Please remember we are all just trying to build the best wiki possible for our community. Mistakes can and will happen from time to time but no one is trying to screw things up or sabotage the wiki. It's important to foster a positive, welcoming atmosphere for all members on the wiki, forums, and elsewhere, especially for newer members just getting started. COs  and other staff members may also consider inflammatory remarks, whether on a simming group or on the wiki/forums/chat, in violation of our [[UFOP_Constitution/Article_VIII:_Discipline_of_All_Officers|community rules]] (especially if shown to be repeated behavior), so it's best not to develop such habits. [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] ▪ [[118Wiki:Operations|<small>Chief of Wiki Operations</small>]] 08:47, 1 March 2015 (CST)
I don't think we have an established leading authority on accepting or not accepting journal articles. As such, unless they're totally empty, avoid marking them for deletion. ;) '''[[User:Sky Blake|Deliera]]''' <big>♠</big> <small> [[USS Veritas|Veritas]] ▪ [[User talk:Sky Blake|talk]]</small> 12:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


== Category:Marines ==
== RE: Question about a wiki page ==


Thanks for the help, Nicholas! Re: Marines, I think we'll just use the Category:Marines from now on and have the other category be about the organization. [[User:Rich|'''♫ Rich''']] ▪ [[User talk:Rich|<small>talk</small>]] 18:47, 26 March 2015 (CDT)
Hello, I am not sure which player is in question here. Perhaps you should contact me directly to discuss further? Off hand I would say go ahead, but I don't know who we are specifically referring to here. [[User:Serala|Serala]] ([[User talk:Serala|talk]]) 12 June 2020 00:53 CDT


== Categories ==
== Meeks Photo Uploads ==


Hi - thanks for updating the categories on Vance Sheridan's page. I'd been meaning to go back and do that, but forgot! You've reminded me of something I was going to take a look at before I disappeared last year, which is to rename categories across the board so that they correspond with the way we're referring to specific duty posts at the moment (so everyone has Counsellors, Medical Officers, First Officers, Intelligence Officers, Captains etc) - wanted to give you a heads up so you don't feel like I'm overwriting your edit on Sheridan's page when the time comes! [[User:Chen|Chen]] ([[User talk:Chen|talk]]) 03:58, 27 March 2015 (CDT)
It was surely not my intent to violate any of the rules of the wiki by uploading the photographs I did. I was unaware of the rules I violated and sincerely apoligize if it created any harm or discredit to the group. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.


==SB118 Alum==
== Avatar Photo/Bio Pic ==
Hello. I sent a message to Rich about it, asking which would be the better one to keep. He said that since traditionally it has been referenced as the capital "B" in the middle, that we should use that one. Hope I'm not stepping on your toes. This is a mighty large task, categorizing the alumni. Just trying to help out. -[[User:Varaan|Varaan]] ([[User talk:Varaan|talk]]) 01:46, 29 March 2015 (CDT)


Here's a question: Should the Alumni pages be restricted to Primary and Secondary characters? Should NPCs be left out by virtue of them being NPCs and not actual characters? I say NOT NPCs. What do you think? -[[User:Varaan|Varaan]] ([[User talk:Varaan|talk]]) 02:19, 29 March 2015 (CDT)
I recently was admonished because I uploaded photos and because of my naivete was in error by doing so. I do not wish to create any issues, however I have created a new bio photo using the existing (headless) uniform found here on our Wiki as well as a created background where there was no author information to be found. I don't want to create a problem, and most of the photos I have seen on the wiki, with the exception of a few, have a watermark or stamp located on the pic that shows ownership to SB118. Can I use my own created photo on the wiki or do I need to have one of the wiki image creators do that work? I'm relatively new to manipulating graphics and I am having fun playing with them. Thank you for your guidance.
 
Tory (Anthony Meeks)

Latest revision as of 20:53, 17 November 2020

Looking for previous chats? Look here!

Star Trek intro

Hey there, you probably saw that I made some changes to the Star Trek intro series you created as we're building out a new New Member Orientation area that will include both a Cadets and Ensigns area. So great work, and thank you for what you created!

Most of what you created I just integrated into the updated series and expanded it a little. But I wanted to make sure you were able to grab anything that wasn't integrated and use elsewhere if you wanted, so here are the old pages:

I'm going to delete these old pages in the next few weeks, so make sure to take a look and get anything you want to reuse. :) --Wolf /talk page 12:47, 19 December 2015 (CST)

RE: A few questions about files on the wiki

First file you mentioned works fine for me:

Sb118-banner-468x60.jpg

Re: File:Trident Ribbon.jpg -- it says in the description it had something to do with Atlantis, so I would put it in the Atlantis category. --Wolf /talk page 20:51, 30 December 2015 (CST)

Avalon Sector

You switched it back on me about 20 minutes before I had finished doing the initial work on the page that I had added. So when I went to post the info from my word perfect page that I had been working on it from to the wiki the page was gone... lol... no problem. I just re-added the link and then pasted the info onto the page for me to tweak and finish later. Canreb (talk) 12:26, 18 February 2016 (CST)

Category capitalization

I was talking to Deliera about the capitalization issue with categories. Do you think it'd be worth it to change the other categories that are currently not following the standard to be uniform? I'm thinking of asking Jordan to install this extension to make it less of a headache when we have to change the old category names to the new ones. ♫ Rich (Cmdr. Roshanara Rahman) • REPLY • Wiki Admin • Veterans Affairs 14:53, 18 August 2016 (CDT)

Well, we do have the instructions to keep the second, third, and subsequent letters lowercase if they're not proper nouns on the Naming pages properly page, but I think most people don't really read that page when they first start.
When you go to make documentation, you should be able to just create a documentation page and then transclude it into the various LCARS template variants (i.e., put {{:NAME OF DOCUMENTATION PAGE}} in the template page) so you don't have to always update however many templates when you want to change the documentation.
Also, I've asked Jordan to create a wiki "power user" group so that hopefully soon non-admins in that group will be able to edit protected pages (without being able to change the protection levels or delete pages). ♫ Rich (Cmdr. Roshanara Rahman) • REPLY • Wiki Admin • Veterans Affairs 15:49, 18 August 2016 (CDT)

System templates

Also, I was thinking all the various "wiki system templates" should probably just stay in that category instead of being added to the new ones since the average user will likely be overwhelmed looking at these other templates that they most likely won't actually use independently of the main template. What do you think? ♫ Rich (Cmdr. Roshanara Rahman) • REPLY • Wiki Admin • Veterans Affairs 15:55, 18 August 2016 (CDT)

Re: NPC rosters

Ok, sorry!

Alt text vs captions

Hi Nicholas! If you could hold off on making additional changes to the ILI, I believe since mediawiki automatically should turn captions.into alt text, then that might be the direction we will go along with a change to the template itself. But more discussion is needed with the other wiki admin and ops folks as they might have additional ideas while we research this issue. ♫ Rich (Capt. Roshanara Rahman) • REPLY • Wiki Ops Team • Veterans Affairs 13:33, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Smuggling

Yeah, I think most of it looks okay, but then I'd move the specific parts of one nation into its own section, grouped together (it probably doesn't need its own page just yet). ♫ Rich (Fleet Capt. Rahman) • REPLY • Chief of Wiki Operations • Veterans Affairs 14:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Journal articles

I don't think we have an established leading authority on accepting or not accepting journal articles. As such, unless they're totally empty, avoid marking them for deletion. ;) Deliera ♠ Veritas ▪ talk 12:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

RE: Question about a wiki page

Hello, I am not sure which player is in question here. Perhaps you should contact me directly to discuss further? Off hand I would say go ahead, but I don't know who we are specifically referring to here. Serala (talk) 12 June 2020 00:53 CDT

Meeks Photo Uploads

It was surely not my intent to violate any of the rules of the wiki by uploading the photographs I did. I was unaware of the rules I violated and sincerely apoligize if it created any harm or discredit to the group. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Avatar Photo/Bio Pic

I recently was admonished because I uploaded photos and because of my naivete was in error by doing so. I do not wish to create any issues, however I have created a new bio photo using the existing (headless) uniform found here on our Wiki as well as a created background where there was no author information to be found. I don't want to create a problem, and most of the photos I have seen on the wiki, with the exception of a few, have a watermark or stamp located on the pic that shows ownership to SB118. Can I use my own created photo on the wiki or do I need to have one of the wiki image creators do that work? I'm relatively new to manipulating graphics and I am having fun playing with them. Thank you for your guidance.

Tory (Anthony Meeks)

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