118Wiki talk:Community Portal

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Navigational Templates

I removed the navigational template that had the "Academy Resources" bar in it. It was a good start, but when creating nav templates, you really want something that's like a Table of Contents for that area. Check out the one I have right now: Template:Academy. It's not centered, but I'll fix that later tonight. --Webmaster 16:31, 18 Aug 2004 (EDT)

If you keep it to the right it goes in nicly with all the articles--James Mckenzie 10:00, 19 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Pictures

First, pictures are not necessary at the beginning of a file. They were there in the main site's Academy area just to add some spice :) But here, we don't need them.

Also, when you're inserting a picture in a file, be sure to align it properly. If you don't have an "align" property, it'll just sit by itself. You can add "|right]]"/"|left]]"/"|center]]" directly after the image name, in the tag, to make the text flow around the picture. Also, head here and look up the "images" section to see other neat things you can do with images, like making thumbnails and such. --Webmaster 16:31, 18 Aug 2004 (EDT)

The align feature is really nice I did not know about if before. :) Also I understand about the pictures. --James Mckenzie 10:01, 19 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Categories

You can see what categories have already been created by going to: Special:Categories.

The trouble I'm having right now is trying to figure out how to break down the IC category. Into canon and non-canon? But really, what here is intended to be canon? This is supposed to be almost all non-canon UFOP: SB 118 things. :-\ So, I think that the best thing to do is not break it down any further into subcategories. --Webmaster 16:21, 19 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Should the academy area be broken into categories or not? --James Mckenzie 19:32, 19 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Re-Create Main Menu

I have set up the main menu and moved it to the main page. I hope that is all right. What is everyone's comments about the new Main page? Any suggestions?

Also how often should we change the featured article?

--James Mckenzie 19:35, 19 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Unnecessary pages

I'm getting a little concerned about the number of pages on our wiki having to do with canon elements. The main purpose of 118Wiki is to deal with issues and subjects having to do with UFOP: StarBase 118. By adding pages having to do with canon ships, especially pages that are copied in whole from other websites, we are opening ourselves up to copyright infringement issues and pages upon pages of pages which require maintenance.

I'd like to hear from some folks as to why these pages are necessary on our wiki, and how we can avoid any copyright issues. Memory Alpha and Wikipedia both have free-sharing policies, but some of the sources I've seen lately do not. --Wolf 14:46, 14 Aug 2005 (CDT)

ADDENUM: I do see the need to add pages about classes like Achilles, which are non-canon. But when Wikipedia and Memory Alpha have pages which are fully comprehensive, wouldn't it just be easier on all of us to put a link to either one of those places? --Wolf 14:50, 14 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Basically, I gave up arguing against them... I'm not keen on them either. - Jay 03:44, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)
Honestly, if you really believe they are unnecessary, you're more than welcome to get rid of them. I really don't care at this point... its suddenly seems to have become a very passive aggressive way of disagreeing with me. If they're really such a problem - DELETE THEM. Doesn't make a bit of difference to me. A lot of it I put up because I thought it would be interesting for people to look at, and perhaps it would give them an idea for something in their character's past, or perhaps something from one of the other characters from the show could inspire them and give them an idea they couldn't come up with before. That was my reasoning. If you disagree, go ahead and delete the stupid things. I was just trying to be helpful and put a few things up on the site, some things that may be of use to somebody at some point. I thought that was the point. And I know the main mission is to put things that have to do with SB118 UFOP, which means quite a bit of non-canon... but I thought the canon world influenced us as well. I tried to do a little bit of research into the things before I posted them, and if I did happen to take anything that has copyright issues... well, I'm sorry, dammit, but I was just trying to help. --Lt Pietro Maximoff 09:08, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)
This IS meant to be a non-canon encyclopedia of info relevant to the group... thus vessel classes such as Galaxy Class are still easily obtainable at the Memory Alpha wiki in more detail (and less time typing/editing)
Actors aren't really relevant, again, leave that to MA or Wikipedia.
This site is for info relevant to duty posts (i.e. navigational advice, diseases, chemicals, Warp Core components, etc..), Ship Histories (see what I've done with the Wallace pages as a guide), and charactors (Alana Devars page is a good example of that.) - Jay 11:25, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)
FINE. I'm wrong. I'll take care of the damn things, then. --Lt Pietro Maximoff 12:29, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)
I certainly hope that fixes it... I got rid of all of the canon information and only left links to the Memory Alpha Wiki. I'll be sure to limit myself to non-canon material from now on. Its not like it was my own time I was "wasting"... but I'll leave it at that. --Lt Pietro Maximoff 12:54, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)
Really, I don't think all this swearing is necessary. I have no idea what has transpired between the two of you, but this seems like it's being made to be a far bigger deal than it should be. Furthermore, now I am tasked with the cleanup up this whole mess, as I have to go through and delete all these pages.
The point was not to go through and mass-delete everything, but come to a mutually agreeable solution to how we would deal with copyrighted information and pages which need upkeep when other sources are better suited for that. Seeing as how Maximoff has taken the solution into his own hands, however, I will simply delete all of the empty pages and we will move on our way.
Maximoff, I'd suggest you take a look at Memory Alpha and consider putting your time resources there. I think they would be appreciative of your participation. When here, though, let's keep things to subjects directly related to our group, especially when in the non-canon capacity. --Wolf 20:58, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)
ADDENUM: I'm not going to go searching for all the articles that have been blanked. If anyone comes across them, please add the following template to the page: {{Delete}} --Wolf 21:07, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)

I know the swearing was not necessary, and I humbly apologize for it. I let my temper get the best of me over something that was rather stupid. Tomorrow if I get some time, I'll go through and find the articles I blanked so they can be deleted. I'm afraid I let my temper get the best of me in something that was not meant to be personal. To be honest, I didn't care all that much if some of those pages that were considered unnecessary would be deleted, or whatnot. To me, it felt like the two of you were against me - I know you weren't, but that was what it felt like. I know you have no reason to be, really. I thought some of that information could have been useful and important for some simmers, and you disagreed, which is fine. I had thought it could be a valuable resource to have information on, say, a Galaxy Class close at hand instead of having to search for it somewhere. I know, it really wouldn't take that much longer to search for it, but I have to say I personally wouldn't mind the time saver. And I know that links would solve that just as well - so I left those there. --Lt Pietro Maximoff 21:53, 17 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Non-Canon Markers

I've created a new "non-canon" marker, and I wanted some advise on how everyone thinks it will work. You can take a look here: Template:NC. You will notice the marker in the upper right-hand corner of the screen, just beneath your "member bar" with the log out/my contributions/etc.

If you hover over it, it will give you a tool tip.

Current Canon Markers

I could find two different types of canon markers:

  • Non-Canon species
  • Canon for SB118 / not canon in general

Generally, there are three classifications of canon, for us:

  • Non-canon / fanon: This is the stuff that is "generally considered" as having been created by the fans, but has never been addressed onscreen, so we don't know if it's true or not.
  • Non-canon / SB118: This is all stuff that we've created that's canon for us, but not considered truly canon;
  • Canon: This is stuff that has been shown oncreen, and we know it's canon.

However, for our intents and purposes, there are really only two categories: SB118 canon, and canon. Beacuse if it's not considered canon by SB118, then we don't need it on our wiki.

Making ours work

I think that this marker is a lot more non-intrusive. As you can see, you can hover your mouse over it to get a brief blurb, or click on it to go to the non-canon page.

However, we can change it so that it goes to a different page that explains canon and non-canon more.

Your Comments

Add your comments below this line. Use indents to delineate from the person before you. (i.e.- First commenter puts one : before their comments. Next person puts two :: before their comments, and so on.)

--Wolf 12:04, 21 May 2006 (CDT)


Well, when I first looked at it, it took me a while to find the tool tip and link because the link seems to be immediately below the 'Non-Canon' text. Another thought might be a different font color than blue. Granted, then it does not immediately look like a link, but it might help it to stand out more. Maybe something as simple as a 1 or 2px blue border would help it to pop out a little.
All in all, however, I do like the idea of a smaller, less blatant Non-Canon marker than the current blazing red (or is it more of a 'salmon'?) block, which I tend to find a little distracting. My theory is: if it is in the wiki, we should be able to use it in a SIM, whether or not it is canon for the rest of Star Trek or not. If I'm looking for pure canon, I can always consult Memory-Alpha or a few other sites. --RogueGypsy47 16:50, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
Hmmm...I wonder why this came about? :) Actually, I, too, think it's a better idea than what I did. But I agree that it should stand out a little more, or be a bit bigger. It doesn't have to be as blatant as mine, but there should be no doubt as to whether someone could see it on the page or not. "Oh, that little thing up in the corner? Sorry, didn't see it." -Varaan 18:30, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
I do agree that what's on the wiki should be usable. But I also think we need to make it a point to have a delineation between canon, and non-canon aspects.
I have changed it so it's a little more noticeable, but it also may be a little more intrusive now. Take a look. --Wolf 00:05, 22 May 2006 (CDT)
I like it, nice idea. - Lt.JG Salak; Engineer, USS Independence 04:17, 22 May 2006 (CDT)
Actually, Admiral, I think it's great. It's still small enough, and up out of the way of actual page content, but stands out enough that you don't ignore it 'cos you think it's just part of the other links you normally ignore.
-Varaan 09:26, 22 May 2006 (CDT)

Interwiki links

Minor point, it isn't causing any issues at the sec to my knowledge but might at some point. The English Wikipedia is at en.wikipedia.org, not www.wikipedia.org. Changing it might speed up use of the links I guess but it isn't a major issue - Lt. SalakUSS Independence-ATalk 13:43, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Nav Template/Table of Contents "hide" glitch

I think the possible cause is that most nav templates have the coding id="toc" within them, which defines the layout. toc would be short for Table of Contents. It can probably fixed by changing the id to something else but that would probably change the appearence of the navs, and I'm not sure what they could be changed to. - Lt. SalakUSS TigerTalk 14:03, 11 May 2008 (EDT)